Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2022

[felixfontein]

This tracks the Community Working Group meetings for Ansible. Continues the 2020/2021 agenda in #539.

• Meeting logs
• Invite (import by URL): ics file
• Location:
  • Matrix Room: #community:ansible.com
  • IRC Channel: #ansible-community

[felixfontein]

2022-01-05

Agenda #539 18:00:05)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda #539 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Happy New Year 2022 :)
• We are excited to announce that briantist has joined the Ansible Steering Committee. Brian has been a very active community member for several years. He has contributed to the project as a developer, reviewer, collection maintainer, documentation contributor, he helped other contributors and users on IRC / Matrix and GitHub as well as the steering committee to make right decisions.
• thanks to briantist, PRs in the community.docker repo now have a docs build and docs diff
• We had 24 issues of The Bullhorn, the Ansible Community newsletter, last year. Subscribe via https://us19.campaign-archive.com/home/?u=56d874e027110e35dea0e03c1&id=d6635f5420

Active voting topics

• https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aactive-vote will show all active votes
• opinions wanted on semantic markup proposal - [Associated vote ended on 2023-03-09] Include semantic markup in plugin DOCUMENTATION strings ansible-community/community-topics#53

distutils LooseVersion etc. replacement

• Original PR: Prepare for distutils.version being removed in Python 3.12 ansible-collections/community.general#3936
• Unintended consequences (bug report): Cannot use docker_compose in 2.1.0 ansible-collections/community.docker#267
• Changelog PR: Report incompatibility with Ansible <2.9.20 and ansible-base <2.10.8 ansible-collections/community.general#3979

open floor

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-05/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-05-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-05/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-05-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-05/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-05-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2022-01-12

Agenda #539 18:00:09)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda #539 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• don't forget to vote on the open votes: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aactive-vote
• Ansible 5.2.0 will be released sometime shortly after the meeting
• deadline for Bullhorn 42 content is tomorrow, as we're testing how feasible it is to have a weekly release cadence. Please share your news with newsbot in ansible-social channel/room by 20:00 UTC on 2022-01-13!
• https://github.com/ansible-community/github-docs-build contains some GHA actions and shared workflows for collection docs builds
• There will be many talks about Ansible at the upcoming devconf and FOSDEM conferences, find them via https://devconfcz2022.sched.com/?searchstring=ansible and https://fosdem.org/2022/search/?q=ansible
• The parameter and return value tables on docs.ansible.com's devel docs are now responsive
• Please suggest possible names for the Changes Impacting Contributors repository in the topic [Vote ended on 2022-01-11] Repository instead of Changes impacting collection contributors & maintainers Issue ansible-community/community-topics#51. Deadline is Sunday, 16 Jan 2022.

How to proceed with "I'd like to contribute ansible-trace under ansible-collections" (felixfontein, 18:22:56)

• I'd like to contribute ansible-trace under ansible-collections ansible-community/community-topics#52

Voting result on: Repository instead of Changes impacting collection contributors & maintainers Issue (felixfontein, 18:53:12)

• [Vote ended on 2022-01-11] Repository instead of Changes impacting collection contributors & maintainers Issue ansible-community/community-topics#51 (comment)

open floor

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-12/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-12-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-12/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-12-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-12/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-12-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2022-01-19

Agenda #539 18:00:14)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda #539 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• comments welcome on how to craft good changelog fragments - FEEDBACK WANTED: Crafting better changelog fragments ansible-community/community-topics#64 (comment)

Establishing the roadmap for Ansible 6.0.0

• Discussion: [Vote ended on 2022-01-26] Establishing the roadmap for Ansible 6.0.0 ansible-community/community-topics#56
• PR for roadmap proposal: Roadmap for Ansible 6 ansible#76772

Vote ended: documentation should use FQCN also for ansible.builtin names (felixfontein, 18:33:50)

• [Vote ended on 2022-01-18] Should documentation use FQCN for ansible.builtin modules or just the short name ansible-community/community-topics#58

Simplifying the collection inclusion process

• Discussion: [Vote ended on 2022-02-02] Simplify the inclusion process ansible-community/community-topics#63

open floor

• We have a new vote, active until next week: [Vote ended on 2022-01-26] Establishing the roadmap for Ansible 6.0.0 ansible-community/community-topics#56

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-19/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-19-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-19/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-19-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-19/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-19-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2022-01-26

Agenda #539 18:00:39)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda #539 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• In accordance with the Community decision, we have created the news-for-maintainers repository for announcements of changes impacting collection maintainers (see the examples)

What to focus on for Ansible 6?

• Roadmap for Ansible 6 ansible#76772 with the Ansible 6 Roadmap has been approved

community.general and community.network: when we drop Ansible 2.9 / ansible-base 2.10 support, should we also drop support of ansible-core < 2.11.8? (felixfontein, 18:53:43)

• Community collections: when to drop support for Ansible 2.9 and ansible-base 2.10? ansible-community/community-topics#50 (comment)

open floor

• https://pypi.org/project/ansible/ ... the source code links to ansible/ansible. That seems wrong, especially in with the "can't remove tests from collection tars" belief

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-26/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-26-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-26/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-26-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-01-26/ansible_community_meeting.2022-01-26-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2022-02-02

Agenda #539 18:00:49)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda #539 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Ansible 5.3.0 has been released: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-announce/c/gU0uW0CNwJM
• ansible-core 2.12.2 and 2.11.8 as well as ansible-base 2.10.17 have been released: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-announce/c/VEdKtbHRDAI
• We are happy to announce a new Steering Committee member!... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9ee3dbae2a186f8190dc5f6b53183fc72aaee1d4)
• Gwmngilfen , dmsimard and myself are speaking at FOSDEM this weekend https://fosdem.org/2022/search/?q=ansible
• [Vote ended on 2022-02-02] Simplify the inclusion process ansible-community/community-topics#63 on simplifying the inclusion process
• if you have good changelog fragment examples, please add to a comment here and we can add to the docs - FEEDBACK WANTED: Crafting better changelog fragments ansible-community/community-topics#64
• The community approved the plan to simplify the collection inclusion process for Ansible: this means that new collections can be added in any minor release (~every three weeks), instead of having to wait for a new major release (~every six months)
• [Vote ended on 2022-02-02] Simplify the inclusion process ansible-community/community-topics#63

open floor

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-02/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-02-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-02/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-02-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-02/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-02-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2022-02-09

Agenda #539 18:00:19)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda #539 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• added changelog examples to FEEDBACK WANTED: Crafting better changelog fragments ansible-community/community-topics#64

Crafting better changelog fragments

• Discussion: FEEDBACK WANTED: Crafting better changelog fragments ansible-community/community-topics#64
• feedback on this topic included here -FEEDBACK WANTED: Crafting better changelog fragments ansible-community/community-topics#64 (comment)

open floor

• We will be closing issue 546 after releasing this week's Bullhorn newsletter. Please continue to share your news items with newsbot (in #ansible-social) as most of you have been doing already. Thanks!
• The Bullhorn - contribute content for developer newsletter #546

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-09/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-09-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-09/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-09-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-09/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-09-18.00.log.html

[dmsimard]

2022-02-16

Agenda #645

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2022 #645 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• There is still work to do but we are in the process of bootstrapping community maintained images for ansible-test and execution environments: https://github.com/ansible-community/images
• Ansible 5.4.0 coming next week (Feb 22)

Active discussions

• FEEDBACK WANTED: which directories / files / file patterns should be excluded from the Ansible installation? FEEDBACK WANTED: which directories / files / file patterns should be excluded from the Ansible installation? ansible-community/community-topics#65
• How to handle moving of content from collections inside the Ansible package to collections outside the Ansible package? How to handle moving of content from collections inside the Ansible package to collections outside the Ansible package? ansible-community/community-topics#66
• FEEDBACK WANTED: Crafting better changelog fragments FEEDBACK WANTED: Crafting better changelog fragments ansible-community/community-topics#64
• Revamping the community/contributor documentation Revamping the community/contributor documentation ansible-community/community-topics#60

Revamping the community/contributor documentation

• LINK: Revamping the community/contributor documentation ansible-community/community-topics#60
• LINK: https://hackmd.io/3Cvy2N8tTfSrUzqYZmfEHA#Options
• LINK: https://hackmd.io/pEw-17IvQ-Ce1cBZG-pXQQ

Open floor

• changelog guidance PR ready for review - update changelog fragment guidance with examples ansible#77040

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-16/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-16-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-16/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-16-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-16/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-16-18.00.log.html

[dmsimard]

2022-02-23

Agenda #645

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2022 #645 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Active community discussions

• FEEDBACK WANTED: which directories / files / file patterns should be excluded from the Ansible installation? ansible-community/community-topics#65
• unversioning some documentation guides ansible-community/community-topics#68
• Revamping the community/contributor documentation ansible-community/community-topics#60
• How to handle moving of content from collections inside the Ansible package to collections outside the Ansible package? ansible-community/community-topics#66
• Collections included in Ansible should not use files outside of meta/, plugins/, roles/ and playbooks/ ansible-community/community-topics#70

Updates

• Ansible 5.4.0 has been released: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-announce/c/razQPdsJXCs
• Latest bullhorn newsletter (issue 46) https://mailchi.mp/redhat/the-bullhorn-46
• Any feedback on the steering committee policy update Update Steering committee guidelines community-docs#49 would be much appreciated. It contains updates like quorum, a casting vote, veto, inclusion workflow changes. After polishing the PR, we'll create a corresponding community topic.

Collections included in Ansible should not use files outside of meta/, plugins/, roles/ and playbooks/ ansible-community/community-topics#70

• Some good discussion (see logs)
• ACTION: dmsimard to ask whether it's possible to allow "ansible-galaxy collection build" to be opt-in rather than opt-out

Open floor

• Daylight savings time changes will soon be upon us once again, we should revisit or poll about what meeting time we should adopt

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-23/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-23-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-23/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-23-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-02-23/ansible_community_meeting.2022-02-23-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2022-03-02

Agenda #645 18:00:44)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2022 #645 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Tadej Borovšak (tadeboro) resigned from the Steering Committee, both as a chairperson and a regular member, due to professional reasons (job change). Tadej, thanks for all you did for us, we wish you the best for your next steps in life and career!
• Resignation from the Steering Committee ansible-community/community-topics#72
• Active vote: inclusion of community.sap and nautobot.nautobot-ansible in Ansible: [Vote ended on 2022-03-16] To include community.sap collection in the Ansible package ansible-community/community-topics#74
• Please look at [Vote ended on 2022-01-26] Establishing the roadmap for Ansible 6.0.0 ansible-community/community-topics#56 (comment) regarding Ansible 6, including the related discussions Collections included in Ansible should not use files outside of meta/, plugins/, roles/ and playbooks/ ansible-community/community-topics#70 and FEEDBACK WANTED: which directories / files / file patterns should be excluded from the Ansible installation? ansible-community/community-topics#65
• Ansible 6's first alpha is due in 6 weeks (April 12th)

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-03-02/ansible_community_meeting.2022-03-02-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-03-02/ansible_community_meeting.2022-03-02-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-03-02/ansible_community_meeting.2022-03-02-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2022-03-09

Agenda #645 18:00:30)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2022 #645 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• [Vote ended on 2022-03-16] To include community.sap collection in the Ansible package ansible-community/community-topics#74 To include community.sap and nautobot collections in the Ansible package
• [Vote ended on 2022-03-21] Important updates for Ansible Community Steering Committee guidelines ansible-community/community-topics#71 Important updates for Ansible Community Steering Committee guidelines
• [Vote ends on 2022-03-23] Which files to remove from the Ansible 6 installation ansible-community/community-topics#76 Which files to remove from the Ansible 6 installation
• The next Ansible Contributor Summit will be on April 12, 2022. Check out the details in the hackmd, add your names to attendees if you plan to attend, suggest topics etc. https://hackmd.io/@ansible-community/contrib-summit-202204/
• [Vote ends on 2022-03-23] Collections included in Ansible must not use files outside of meta/, plugins/, roles/ and playbooks/ ansible-community/community-topics#77 Collections included in Ansible must not use files outside of meta/, plugins/, roles/ and playbooks/
• [Vote ended on 2022-03-21] Important updates for Ansible Community Steering Committee guidelines ansible-community/community-topics#71 is a rather important vote for the steering committee btw

Research related to Steering Committee guidelines 18:16:15)

• Related vote: [Vote ended on 2022-03-21] Important updates for Ansible Community Steering Committee guidelines ansible-community/community-topics#71 / related PR: Update Steering committee guidelines community-docs#49
• Kubernetes steering committee: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/governance.md https://github.com/kubernetes/steering
• Postgres: https://postgresql.fund/blog/is-it-time-to-modernize-postgresql-core/ https://www.postgresql.org/about/policies/
• Fedora: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/orgchart/
• OpenJS has a sort of inter-corporate governance model: https://openjsf.org/about/governance/
• some orgs like Apache are Foundations: https://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#structure
• General "project governance overviews" include https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/guide-to-open-source-project-governance-models-overview and https://opensource.com/article/20/5/open-source-governance and interestingly https://developer.ibm.com/articles/open-governance-community/
• (researched by @acozine)

open floor

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-03-09/ansible_community_meeting.2022-03-09-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-03-09/ansible_community_meeting.2022-03-09-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2022-03-09/ansible_community_meeting.2022-03-09-18.00.log.html